Comments on: Greetings From China! http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/ The MBA Graduate Program at Cal Poly Fri, 18 May 2012 16:28:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Chris Carr http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1853 Chris Carr Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:56:09 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1853 麻木, Thanks for sharing this deep insight. We could not possibly have figured this out ourselves. I will sleep well tonight. Our trip is sure to be a success now. 麻木,

Thanks for sharing this deep insight. We could not possibly have figured this out ourselves. I will sleep well tonight. Our trip is sure to be a success now.

]]> By: 麻木 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1848 麻木 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:39:05 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1848 Ya know, kebab boy...you've got stones. Let these optimistic MBA folks get over here and think they're gonna have a bang-up, swell old time. No harm in that. A guy blew a snot rocket on me today. That pretty much says it all... Chamberlain, indeed... www.sinocidal.com Ya know, kebab boy…you’ve got stones. Let these optimistic MBA folks get over here and think they’re gonna have a bang-up, swell old time. No harm in that.

A guy blew a snot rocket on me today.
That pretty much says it all…

Chamberlain, indeed…

http://www.sinocidal.com

]]> By: nanheyangrouchuan http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1816 nanheyangrouchuan Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:26:49 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1816 And yes, I will continue to lecture the Neville Chamberlains of the world regarding China, especially since this country has not one Tiananmen Square on its hands but two. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gulja+massacre&btnG=Google+Search And yes, I will continue to lecture the Neville Chamberlains of the world regarding China, especially since this country has not one Tiananmen Square on its hands but two.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gulja+massacre&btnG=Google+Search

]]> By: nanheyangrouchuan http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1815 nanheyangrouchuan Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:15:25 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1815 "Did you disclose to the folks on the other end of your teaching contract when they hired you and/or you interviewed with them that you were using them (and the Z visa) for easy entry into the country with the hidden intention of jumping ship as soon as you could once you were there and working for them?" Oh please, that doesn't happen here either. You are starting to sound like the business professor from "Back to School". I filled my end, they filled theirs, the deal was done. BTW were you a lawyer in a past profession? “Did you disclose to the folks on the other end of your teaching contract when they hired you and/or you interviewed with them that you were using them (and the Z visa) for easy entry into the country with the hidden intention of jumping ship as soon as you could once you were there and working for them?”

Oh please, that doesn’t happen here either. You are starting to sound like the business professor from “Back to School”.

I filled my end, they filled theirs, the deal was done.

BTW were you a lawyer in a past profession?

]]> By: Chris Carr http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1813 Chris Carr Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:13:28 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1813 Did you disclose to the folks on the other end of your teaching contract when they hired you and/or you interviewed with them that you were using them (and the Z visa) for easy entry into the country with the hidden intention of jumping ship as soon as you could once you were there and working for them? Guy, If I have to lay out and spot such ethical issues for you, it highlights how you are in no position to lecture any government or business on the topic. Glad you are not teaching my kid! And if you dislike China so much, why are you living there? Your blog posts are full of contradictions. Oh, but your rules, values and standards only apply to OTHER people, right? BTW, why don't you use your real name for blog comments, rather than a handle you can hide behind? This speaks volumes. We will again have to agree to disagree. I have already killed too much time dealing with your negativity. I hope you find happiness in life in a way that does not rely so much on bashing people, firms, businesses and governments while simultaneously failing to offer a practical solution that you would own, publicly stand behind (with your real name) and one that can also actually be executed to completion. Best of luck! Did you disclose to the folks on the other end of your teaching contract when they hired you and/or you interviewed with them that you were using them (and the Z visa) for easy entry into the country with the hidden intention of jumping ship as soon as you could once you were there and working for them?

Guy, If I have to lay out and spot such ethical issues for you, it highlights how you are in no position to lecture any government or business on the topic. Glad you are not teaching my kid!

And if you dislike China so much, why are you living there?

Your blog posts are full of contradictions. Oh, but your rules, values and standards only apply to OTHER people, right?

BTW, why don’t you use your real name for blog comments, rather than a handle you can hide behind? This speaks volumes.

We will again have to agree to disagree. I have already killed too much time dealing with your negativity.

I hope you find happiness in life in a way that does not rely so much on bashing people, firms, businesses and governments while simultaneously failing to offer a practical solution that you would own, publicly stand behind (with your real name) and one that can also actually be executed to completion.

Best of luck!

]]> By: nanheyangrouchuan http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1812 nanheyangrouchuan Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:58:04 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1812 Trying to use my words against me, eh? Weak. The intent is not to trick the authorities, the Z visa is legitimate as long as it has not expired. I filled out my teaching contract, most teachers do, but you look for other things, often working part time until your contract is over, then your new employer picks it up. I thought you knew about business in China. I never said I worked in a consulate, I told you what I did, you have to use your imagination to interpret my meaning. Trying to use my words against me, eh? Weak. The intent is not to trick the authorities, the Z visa is legitimate as long as it has not expired. I filled out my teaching contract, most teachers do, but you look for other things, often working part time until your contract is over, then your new employer picks it up. I thought you knew about business in China.
I never said I worked in a consulate, I told you what I did, you have to use your imagination to interpret my meaning.

]]> By: Chris Carr http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1810 Chris Carr Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:56:07 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1810 "Experience and those expats should have taught you that the best way to get into China is to get a Z visa by getting a teaching job, then leave the teaching job as soon as you find another company to assume your Z visa. Sheesh!" Was this your strategy? Wait a minute -- aren't you the guy that lectures business and business people on their lack of ethics and morality? Unbelievable. nanheyangrouchuan, you never cease to amaze me ... And I am still waiting for the US Embassy/Consulate confirmation. “Experience and those expats should have taught you that the best way to get into China is to get a Z visa by getting a teaching job, then leave the teaching job as soon as you find another company to assume your Z visa. Sheesh!”

Was this your strategy? Wait a minute — aren’t you the guy that lectures business and business people on their lack of ethics and morality?

Unbelievable.

nanheyangrouchuan, you never cease to amaze me …

And I am still waiting for the US Embassy/Consulate confirmation.

]]> By: nanheyangrouchuan http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1809 nanheyangrouchuan Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:50:28 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1809 "I don’t agree that the best way for an MBA student to experience China is to go there and teach English." Chris, experience and those expats should have taught you that the best way to get into China is to get a Z visa by getting a teaching job, then leave the teaching job as soon as you find another company to assume your Z visa. Sheesh! The more time expats spend out of China, the more agreeable they are. The ones who have been there for 4+ years and rarely leave are well, you know what I'll say. You can pooh pooh me with your experiences, but just ask some Chinese who are long term residents of the US. They'll all tell you that western business people who spend enough time in China end up being the worst of both cultures. They can abandon their western morality and need to obey the law and the same time clumsily try to adapt to chinese business customs like "guan xi". A note to your students, no foreigner can ever have real "guan xi" with a chinese person. Relations with in-laws can have plenty of problems as well. “I don’t agree that the best way for an MBA student to experience China is to go there and teach English.”

Chris, experience and those expats should have taught you that the best way to get into China is to get a Z visa by getting a teaching job, then leave the teaching job as soon as you find another company to assume your Z visa. Sheesh!

The more time expats spend out of China, the more agreeable they are. The ones who have been there for 4+ years and rarely leave are well, you know what I’ll say.

You can pooh pooh me with your experiences, but just ask some Chinese who are long term residents of the US. They’ll all tell you that western business people who spend enough time in China end up being the worst of both cultures. They can abandon their western morality and need to obey the law and the same time clumsily try to adapt to chinese business customs like “guan xi”.

A note to your students, no foreigner can ever have real “guan xi” with a chinese person. Relations with in-laws can have plenty of problems as well.

]]> By: Chris Carr http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1795 Chris Carr Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:41:04 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1795 Fatih, Great idea! Thanks for the link. Fatih,

Great idea! Thanks for the link.

]]> By: Chris Carr http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1793 Chris Carr Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:28:14 +0000 http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/greetings-from-china/#comment-1793 nanheyangrouchuan, Why do you seem to be so down on what people can and do learn in school? The China expats I know and respect are all well educated people who highly value their education and that experience, what they learned during their undergrad and grad school years, they view it is one (not the only) step in their life long process of learning, they also view it as an important part of their success in China, etc. I.e., they have been in China much longer than you (and me!), they routinely listen to what other people have to say on a topic and they don't (never?) profess to know all the answers to China and/or scoff at others or their experience. But, perhaps you are smarter and more successful than these folks; if so, I look forward to reading your blog and/or book. I don't agree that the best way for an MBA student to experience China is to go there and teach English. Also, do you <strong>really</strong> believe that those of us who teach at the university level have no connection to reality or the real world and/or have never experienced it? Give me a break! Please step into a Cal Poly classroom and observe before making such a suggestion. BTW, I remain curious about your background ... have you ever worked for or at a US Consulate in China or the US Embassy in China? nanheyangrouchuan,

Why do you seem to be so down on what people can and do learn in school?

The China expats I know and respect are all well educated people who highly value their education and that experience, what they learned during their undergrad and grad school years, they view it is one (not the only) step in their life long process of learning, they also view it as an important part of their success in China, etc. I.e., they have been in China much longer than you (and me!), they routinely listen to what other people have to say on a topic and they don’t (never?) profess to know all the answers to China and/or scoff at others or their experience. But, perhaps you are smarter and more successful than these folks; if so, I look forward to reading your blog and/or book.

I don’t agree that the best way for an MBA student to experience China is to go there and teach English.

Also, do you really believe that those of us who teach at the university level have no connection to reality or the real world and/or have never experienced it? Give me a break! Please step into a Cal Poly classroom and observe before making such a suggestion.

BTW, I remain curious about your background … have you ever worked for or at a US Consulate in China or the US Embassy in China?

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