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	<title>Comments on: Those &#8216;Dickensesque&#8217; Internet Cafes in China</title>
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		<title>By: Pierre Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments above, it seems to me that the authoritarian style of government is deeply rooted in the Chinese people, I don't think it's going away anytime soon. 

Politics aside, I want to talk about the internet usage in China. From the "Digging deeper" article, they mention that there is a huge underclass of single males who live, eat, play, and sleep in filthy city internet cafes for about $5 a day. Another article mentions that "there are more Chinese internet users than all of North America combined..." continuing to say that only a small portion have access to the full internet. The potential for online revenue seems like it could be tremendous. Companies are realizing that just adding a .cn extension, and roughly translating the page isn't cutting it. Clever advertisers are going to need to actually cater to the Chinese people by creating websites that they can relate to. Should be interesting to see how companies approach this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments above, it seems to me that the authoritarian style of government is deeply rooted in the Chinese people, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going away anytime soon. </p>
<p>Politics aside, I want to talk about the internet usage in China. From the &#8220;Digging deeper&#8221; article, they mention that there is a huge underclass of single males who live, eat, play, and sleep in filthy city internet cafes for about $5 a day. Another article mentions that &#8220;there are more Chinese internet users than all of North America combined&#8230;&#8221; continuing to say that only a small portion have access to the full internet. The potential for online revenue seems like it could be tremendous. Companies are realizing that just adding a .cn extension, and roughly translating the page isn&#8217;t cutting it. Clever advertisers are going to need to actually cater to the Chinese people by creating websites that they can relate to. Should be interesting to see how companies approach this.</p>
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		<title>By: David Zarcone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Zarcone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is nearly completely surrounded by democratic states (India, Mongolia, Japan, South Korea…) and is one of the few remaining communist countries in the world. Is it time for a change? However, in many countries the period of change from old to new government systems is a horrible and sad time. Poverty, suffering and violence are just a few of the effects. For example, when the Soviet Union rid the communist system, many people thought that the cure was worse than the disease 

If China converted, who would benefit the most from a democratic government? Probably the farmers since they make up roughly 75% of China’s population. However, urban areas receive most of the government’s expenditures. How would a democratic parliament assess Chinese national interests? Above all it would probably try to improve the living conditions of the millions of people in poverty. In order to free up this money, China would have to stop investing so much money into military. This would mean that they would have to become friends with the US (its biggest market).

Most of this information I read from an article entitled “How Would Democracy Change China?” written by Arthur Waldron in 2004. http://www.fpri.org/orbis/4802/waldron.democracychangechina.pdf It is a very interesting read and informative pertaining to China’s conversion to democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is nearly completely surrounded by democratic states (India, Mongolia, Japan, South Korea…) and is one of the few remaining communist countries in the world. Is it time for a change? However, in many countries the period of change from old to new government systems is a horrible and sad time. Poverty, suffering and violence are just a few of the effects. For example, when the Soviet Union rid the communist system, many people thought that the cure was worse than the disease </p>
<p>If China converted, who would benefit the most from a democratic government? Probably the farmers since they make up roughly 75% of China’s population. However, urban areas receive most of the government’s expenditures. How would a democratic parliament assess Chinese national interests? Above all it would probably try to improve the living conditions of the millions of people in poverty. In order to free up this money, China would have to stop investing so much money into military. This would mean that they would have to become friends with the US (its biggest market).</p>
<p>Most of this information I read from an article entitled “How Would Democracy Change China?” written by Arthur Waldron in 2004. <a href="http://www.fpri.org/orbis/4802/waldron.democracychangechina.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fpri.org/orbis/4802/waldron.democracychangechina.pdf</a> It is a very interesting read and informative pertaining to China’s conversion to democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kye Tripp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kye Tripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you think about it china sort of acts like a two party system just like ours.  You have the main party that is in power and the large group of people that agree with this party.  Then you have a large group of people that do not agree with the current views of the party in power.  Then when this group gets to be big enough it overthrows and kills the party in power.  This then results in a change in views.  See it is like democratic and Republican.  I know it is not exactly the same but it works for china and they are constantly growing and they are very proud of their history.  I think that their key to success is because they build on the history and learn through it.  So would having Democracy in China be a step forward?  I think that through reading all of these articles about china it seems that everyone is trying to make China become more like America.  The say their safety laws should be like America and that their politics should be like America.  Why should China be like America?  China is beautiful as is and their politics and rules and everything else make it that way.  America is not perfect and either is China that is what make each place unique.  I do not want everything to be the same all around the world that would just be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you think about it china sort of acts like a two party system just like ours.  You have the main party that is in power and the large group of people that agree with this party.  Then you have a large group of people that do not agree with the current views of the party in power.  Then when this group gets to be big enough it overthrows and kills the party in power.  This then results in a change in views.  See it is like democratic and Republican.  I know it is not exactly the same but it works for china and they are constantly growing and they are very proud of their history.  I think that their key to success is because they build on the history and learn through it.  So would having Democracy in China be a step forward?  I think that through reading all of these articles about china it seems that everyone is trying to make China become more like America.  The say their safety laws should be like America and that their politics should be like America.  Why should China be like America?  China is beautiful as is and their politics and rules and everything else make it that way.  America is not perfect and either is China that is what make each place unique.  I do not want everything to be the same all around the world that would just be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Fencl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Fencl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply describing the Chinese government as “Communist” and the American government as “Democratic” is problematic.  While both governments fit into these generalities, neither one is accurately described by them.  Yes, the governing body of the People’s Republic of China is certainly communist, by name and by definition.  However, I challenge anyone who thinks the definition ends there to read the following article titled “Communist party congress sees delegates from diversified ownership.”  I’ve posted the link below:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/19/content_6911079.htm

The Chinese government depicted in this article doesn’t seem to fit the conventional mold of textbook communism, the sort of “hide your children” and “Red scare” vibe.  For those people who don’t read the article:
Both the government and private investors have stake in Chinese companies.
Official figures show the non-public sector currently produces 67 percent of China's GDP and contributes nearly 80 percent to the country's economic growth.
Many private business owners are Communist Party of China members.

Ironically, “Democratic” doesn’t really describe the United State’s government well either.  In a pure democratic society, all members of society vote on everything.  That means that we should be voting on everything from tax increases to road construction budgets.  We of course do not vote on these issues but instead elect representatives to decide for us.  The real kicker is that those representatives were elected by only a small fraction of the American people (most of us, including myself, don’t vote).  This is not a democracy people...it’s a republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply describing the Chinese government as “Communist” and the American government as “Democratic” is problematic.  While both governments fit into these generalities, neither one is accurately described by them.  Yes, the governing body of the People’s Republic of China is certainly communist, by name and by definition.  However, I challenge anyone who thinks the definition ends there to read the following article titled “Communist party congress sees delegates from diversified ownership.”  I’ve posted the link below:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/19/content_6911079.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/19/content_6911079.htm</a></p>
<p>The Chinese government depicted in this article doesn’t seem to fit the conventional mold of textbook communism, the sort of “hide your children” and “Red scare” vibe.  For those people who don’t read the article:<br />
Both the government and private investors have stake in Chinese companies.<br />
Official figures show the non-public sector currently produces 67 percent of China&#8217;s GDP and contributes nearly 80 percent to the country&#8217;s economic growth.<br />
Many private business owners are Communist Party of China members.</p>
<p>Ironically, “Democratic” doesn’t really describe the United State’s government well either.  In a pure democratic society, all members of society vote on everything.  That means that we should be voting on everything from tax increases to road construction budgets.  We of course do not vote on these issues but instead elect representatives to decide for us.  The real kicker is that those representatives were elected by only a small fraction of the American people (most of us, including myself, don’t vote).  This is not a democracy people&#8230;it’s a republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Bilsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Bilsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we've hit the nail on the head as far as no traditional democracy.  I'm a firm believer that the citizens of a country should pick the style of government that best suits their cultural needs.  In the case of China, their culture dictates a vastly different structure and hierarchal system than our traditional western democracy can provide.  Especially with the amount of people they have, a democracy would not work effectively as believed by the U.S.

It seems like they're on the right track though.  As observed from the Coal Mining and Green issues raised in the other posts, there has to be a tipping point.  As Simone said, they're talking about it and it's tolerated, so maybe they're entertaining the idea at the top in some fashion.  Maybe we'll see a mix of democracy and communism that will form a new style of government that will better represent 1.3 billion people but still be fast moving enough so as not to get stuck in red tape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head as far as no traditional democracy.  I&#8217;m a firm believer that the citizens of a country should pick the style of government that best suits their cultural needs.  In the case of China, their culture dictates a vastly different structure and hierarchal system than our traditional western democracy can provide.  Especially with the amount of people they have, a democracy would not work effectively as believed by the U.S.</p>
<p>It seems like they&#8217;re on the right track though.  As observed from the Coal Mining and Green issues raised in the other posts, there has to be a tipping point.  As Simone said, they&#8217;re talking about it and it&#8217;s tolerated, so maybe they&#8217;re entertaining the idea at the top in some fashion.  Maybe we&#8217;ll see a mix of democracy and communism that will form a new style of government that will better represent 1.3 billion people but still be fast moving enough so as not to get stuck in red tape.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Jeff that a change to a fully democratic system how we understand it is not in the best interest of China. It’s understandable that many people want a change, but is a sudden shift in a political system beneficial? Do we want a revolution as China or other countries like France have seen it before? 

Yu Keping, a major player in China’s political process has given many speeches about democracy in China. He thinks that it is the best of all political systems and that China should not have only two people define the policy by themselves. From my point of view, I think it is very interesting that you can read many articles on debates going on in China about the need for elections and people demanding a new system. That such a discussion can be held openly in a controlled media landscape shows me that these discussions are tolerated “from the top”; maybe they are even desired? The party has certainly increased their self-confidence. Just think about how they used to controvert the “western liberalization”. Now they want to find their own democratic way. An idea would be to start democratize the internal party, the convention, expanding elections into the small towns etc. 

My point is that I think China has already started to follow a new democratic path. Even if they are not copying our western democratic system, they can certainly learn from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Jeff that a change to a fully democratic system how we understand it is not in the best interest of China. It’s understandable that many people want a change, but is a sudden shift in a political system beneficial? Do we want a revolution as China or other countries like France have seen it before? </p>
<p>Yu Keping, a major player in China’s political process has given many speeches about democracy in China. He thinks that it is the best of all political systems and that China should not have only two people define the policy by themselves. From my point of view, I think it is very interesting that you can read many articles on debates going on in China about the need for elections and people demanding a new system. That such a discussion can be held openly in a controlled media landscape shows me that these discussions are tolerated “from the top”; maybe they are even desired? The party has certainly increased their self-confidence. Just think about how they used to controvert the “western liberalization”. Now they want to find their own democratic way. An idea would be to start democratize the internal party, the convention, expanding elections into the small towns etc. </p>
<p>My point is that I think China has already started to follow a new democratic path. Even if they are not copying our western democratic system, they can certainly learn from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Mohr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Mohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy is not the answer for China, at least not the democracy that westerners imagine when they hear the word. Should the public have more say in the government? Yes. Does this mean we should duplicate the US government in China? No. I tend to agree more with the the "panda hugging hogwash" from the above China Law Blog post:
&lt;blockquote cite="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/04/randall_peerenbooms_china_mode.html"&gt;
The fourth cause of the double standard is the over-critical attitude many foreigners have towards China's system of governance, stemming largely from a blind faith in the legacies of the eighteenth-century European Enlightenment, which of course made valuable contributions to our modern ideas about democracy, human rights, religious tolerance, and the rational pursuit of truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I believe the best system for China involves reform of the current system while maintaining the party's control. (Read &lt;a href="http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9409197" rel="nofollow"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;  for some of Hu's views on democracy) Especially after hearing from Dr. Morris that any drastic political reform will result in the deaths of millions of people as it has throughout China's history.  How to create and implement the incremental reforms is the difficult part, and is something that I hope to work on and post in the coming months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy is not the answer for China, at least not the democracy that westerners imagine when they hear the word. Should the public have more say in the government? Yes. Does this mean we should duplicate the US government in China? No. I tend to agree more with the the &#8220;panda hugging hogwash&#8221; from the above China Law Blog post:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/04/randall_peerenbooms_china_mode.html"><p>
The fourth cause of the double standard is the over-critical attitude many foreigners have towards China&#8217;s system of governance, stemming largely from a blind faith in the legacies of the eighteenth-century European Enlightenment, which of course made valuable contributions to our modern ideas about democracy, human rights, religious tolerance, and the rational pursuit of truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe the best system for China involves reform of the current system while maintaining the party&#8217;s control. (Read <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9409197" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>  for some of Hu&#8217;s views on democracy) Especially after hearing from Dr. Morris that any drastic political reform will result in the deaths of millions of people as it has throughout China&#8217;s history.  How to create and implement the incremental reforms is the difficult part, and is something that I hope to work on and post in the coming months.</p>
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