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		<title>By: Adam Windham</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Windham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can be outsourced? Is there a limit? The article said that we will always have demand for hospitals and doctors, but even flying to India for treatment can sometimes be cheaper. What if you take that one step further. Recently I saw a program on television describing a new type of "robotic surgery". The doctor operated a computer-interface and a robotic arm actually performed the surgery, providing greatly control and accuracy. The even more interesting thing was that the "Robo-Surgeon" could be operated remotely, that is over a network like the internet. 

As advances in technology continue to increase exponentially, it is not unlikely that the next time you go "under the knife", your surgeon could be a robot and you doctor might be in a different country. Granted there are a number of other factors that come into play (legal, ethical, etc.), but 10, 20, 50 years down the road could this sort of procedure become common place? It really does beg the question, what can't be outsourced?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can be outsourced? Is there a limit? The article said that we will always have demand for hospitals and doctors, but even flying to India for treatment can sometimes be cheaper. What if you take that one step further. Recently I saw a program on television describing a new type of &#8220;robotic surgery&#8221;. The doctor operated a computer-interface and a robotic arm actually performed the surgery, providing greatly control and accuracy. The even more interesting thing was that the &#8220;Robo-Surgeon&#8221; could be operated remotely, that is over a network like the internet. </p>
<p>As advances in technology continue to increase exponentially, it is not unlikely that the next time you go &#8220;under the knife&#8221;, your surgeon could be a robot and you doctor might be in a different country. Granted there are a number of other factors that come into play (legal, ethical, etc.), but 10, 20, 50 years down the road could this sort of procedure become common place? It really does beg the question, what can&#8217;t be outsourced?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Ybarra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Ybarra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too agree that TutorVista offers a great service to some students, but there are some possible problems with this form of outsourcing.  For many students, the roadblock in the way of success in class is not just a lack of comprehension, but a lack of one-on-one time with the teacher, low self-esteem, and other learning disabilities that can only be counteracted by a tutor who is sitting face-to-face with the student.   It is a little known fact that Attention Deficit Disorder is a problem that plagues only Americans.  Because of this, I’m not confident that an Indian tutor corresponding with a student via computer would be able to deal effectively with this issue, or bring this problem to the parents’ attention.  Other disorders can result in a student not feeling confident enough in class to ask or answer questions.  The growth in online chat and emailing has only contributed to this problem, and might be perpetuated through correspondence with an overseas tutor.  In addition, modern students are busy with sports and other extracurricular activities, and worrying about connectivity, translation issues and other various problems could cut in to the time the student has to concentrate on homework.  As mentioned in the article, language barriers such as semantics and phonetics are major issues that cause many Americans to experience frustration when dealing with agents from call centers in India. These barriers may cause difficulty and frustration for students as well. That being said, I believe that this service could greatly benefit many students.  The student or parent must always be aware, however, of what is lost in the translation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too agree that TutorVista offers a great service to some students, but there are some possible problems with this form of outsourcing.  For many students, the roadblock in the way of success in class is not just a lack of comprehension, but a lack of one-on-one time with the teacher, low self-esteem, and other learning disabilities that can only be counteracted by a tutor who is sitting face-to-face with the student.   It is a little known fact that Attention Deficit Disorder is a problem that plagues only Americans.  Because of this, I’m not confident that an Indian tutor corresponding with a student via computer would be able to deal effectively with this issue, or bring this problem to the parents’ attention.  Other disorders can result in a student not feeling confident enough in class to ask or answer questions.  The growth in online chat and emailing has only contributed to this problem, and might be perpetuated through correspondence with an overseas tutor.  In addition, modern students are busy with sports and other extracurricular activities, and worrying about connectivity, translation issues and other various problems could cut in to the time the student has to concentrate on homework.  As mentioned in the article, language barriers such as semantics and phonetics are major issues that cause many Americans to experience frustration when dealing with agents from call centers in India. These barriers may cause difficulty and frustration for students as well. That being said, I believe that this service could greatly benefit many students.  The student or parent must always be aware, however, of what is lost in the translation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Dougherty</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-3010</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dougherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this article and the blog posts thus far, I am very torn on this issue. I have been a private math tutor myself for the past 8 years, and this article fails to address the difference between a good tutor and someone who merely can regurgitate information and call it teaching. Becoming a good tutor is much more than the latter. As Robyn said, nonverbal cues can account for 75% of communication between people, which is completely cut out through this process. Over the past four years, 11 out of the 12 students I have tutored have received “A” grades in their math courses. This success is not because I know math above and beyond anyone else, but is due to my ability to recognize these nonverbal cues when teaching my students. When presenting a topic to my students, their facial expressions, posture, and other body language can tell me immediately if I have successfully conveyed the topic at hand. Numerous times, I have presented a topic to a student, asked if they understood and received a nod or acknowledgement that they understood, when their body language clearly communicated the opposite. This is lost completely when you switch to a digital tutor.

I have actually participated in this type of tutoring system, although not from a Foreign Service. During my second year of college, when I still aspired to become an electrical engineer ( thank god I woke up and those days are long gone), I had a private math tutor whom I met with 8 times a month, six of which were online and two were in person. Comparing the in person sessions to the online sessions, they both have their benefits. While it is nice to sit at home in your pajamas and get tutored, the lack of face to face communication greatly hinders the process, both for the tutor and the student.

I understand that there are many families who cannot afford private tutors, and that they are really the prime market for this type of service. My fear is that the price of this service will drive the market down as a whole, and in turn will decrease the overall quality of the service provided. I currently charge $20/hr for my services, and this rate (while still reasonable) will be destroyed by people like the woman in this article, who is making $200 a week for 24 hours of work (the equivalent of about $8.33/hr) for her tutoring service.

If more services follow this trend, we better watch out. Are Ivy League professors going to follow by leaving their institutions and offering their services online for more money, thus cutting out the institution that earned them their reputation? Who knows for sure, but it’s definitely something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this article and the blog posts thus far, I am very torn on this issue. I have been a private math tutor myself for the past 8 years, and this article fails to address the difference between a good tutor and someone who merely can regurgitate information and call it teaching. Becoming a good tutor is much more than the latter. As Robyn said, nonverbal cues can account for 75% of communication between people, which is completely cut out through this process. Over the past four years, 11 out of the 12 students I have tutored have received “A” grades in their math courses. This success is not because I know math above and beyond anyone else, but is due to my ability to recognize these nonverbal cues when teaching my students. When presenting a topic to my students, their facial expressions, posture, and other body language can tell me immediately if I have successfully conveyed the topic at hand. Numerous times, I have presented a topic to a student, asked if they understood and received a nod or acknowledgement that they understood, when their body language clearly communicated the opposite. This is lost completely when you switch to a digital tutor.</p>
<p>I have actually participated in this type of tutoring system, although not from a Foreign Service. During my second year of college, when I still aspired to become an electrical engineer ( thank god I woke up and those days are long gone), I had a private math tutor whom I met with 8 times a month, six of which were online and two were in person. Comparing the in person sessions to the online sessions, they both have their benefits. While it is nice to sit at home in your pajamas and get tutored, the lack of face to face communication greatly hinders the process, both for the tutor and the student.</p>
<p>I understand that there are many families who cannot afford private tutors, and that they are really the prime market for this type of service. My fear is that the price of this service will drive the market down as a whole, and in turn will decrease the overall quality of the service provided. I currently charge $20/hr for my services, and this rate (while still reasonable) will be destroyed by people like the woman in this article, who is making $200 a week for 24 hours of work (the equivalent of about $8.33/hr) for her tutoring service.</p>
<p>If more services follow this trend, we better watch out. Are Ivy League professors going to follow by leaving their institutions and offering their services online for more money, thus cutting out the institution that earned them their reputation? Who knows for sure, but it’s definitely something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kvilhaug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kvilhaug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave, maybe these guys could help us with Stat 513, give Shasta's office hours a break.

I think this is a great idea and how can anyone be mad (if anyone is) if another country is taking a service already offered, probably doing it better, and for less money.  And time, little Johnny doesn't have to be driven 20 minutes to the tutor, then picked up an hour later wasting fuel in Mom's Suburban.

I was in tutoring for reading (imagine that after reading my posts) and was a math tutor.  The system is not regulated and disorganized.  Maybe some lower price competition will force US companies to reform and actually help the kids instead of line their pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave, maybe these guys could help us with Stat 513, give Shasta&#8217;s office hours a break.</p>
<p>I think this is a great idea and how can anyone be mad (if anyone is) if another country is taking a service already offered, probably doing it better, and for less money.  And time, little Johnny doesn&#8217;t have to be driven 20 minutes to the tutor, then picked up an hour later wasting fuel in Mom&#8217;s Suburban.</p>
<p>I was in tutoring for reading (imagine that after reading my posts) and was a math tutor.  The system is not regulated and disorganized.  Maybe some lower price competition will force US companies to reform and actually help the kids instead of line their pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: David Zarcone</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-2970</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zarcone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I was definately kidding... don't worry. I actually enjoy these blogs. In fact I looked around on the net and found a great video directly relating to this topic.

How far will people go with outsourcing to India?  

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/report_many_u_s_parents

Hilarious video!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I was definately kidding&#8230; don&#8217;t worry. I actually enjoy these blogs. In fact I looked around on the net and found a great video directly relating to this topic.</p>
<p>How far will people go with outsourcing to India?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/report_many_u_s_parents" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/video/report_many_u_s_parents</a></p>
<p>Hilarious video!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carr</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-2967</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I could have hired a personal assistant from India to read through these blogs and write some intelligent comments."

Uh, I don't think so.   See/refer to discussion on Angie's post re ethics.

Assume you were kidding and wrote in jest, and good judgment humor is always welcome on the blog; but if not, this is not a wise road for anyone to go down re a blog post, comment, or book review ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I could have hired a personal assistant from India to read through these blogs and write some intelligent comments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, I don&#8217;t think so.   See/refer to discussion on Angie&#8217;s post re ethics.</p>
<p>Assume you were kidding and wrote in jest, and good judgment humor is always welcome on the blog; but if not, this is not a wise road for anyone to go down re a blog post, comment, or book review &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Zarcone</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-2966</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zarcone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an amazing idea. If only I knew of that company before I started writing this blog. I could have hired a personal assistant from India to read through these blogs and write some intelligent comments. Oh well!

Anyway, I think that this online tutoring and assistant business is a good idea for some of us who can't afford the luxary of paying good money for a one-on-one tutor/assistant. However, there is a limit on what I would pay for. Tutors and assistants don't really require75% nonverbal communication (thank you Dr. Beaman) in order to effectively deliver their intended purpose. 

In relation to what Matt Sprecher said, I too think that this is a funny article seeing that we as grad students are taking a good amount of online classes for our education. Isn't this basically the same thing? It all depends on the subject matter and teaching methods. For instance, our online course in Six Sigma this quarter is very informative and is a great way to learn. This is mainly due to the interactive teaching methods provided. If I just sat there listening to a teacher speak or reading the words from a textbook, I would not get nearly as much out of it. Sometimes, online teaching is more appropriate in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an amazing idea. If only I knew of that company before I started writing this blog. I could have hired a personal assistant from India to read through these blogs and write some intelligent comments. Oh well!</p>
<p>Anyway, I think that this online tutoring and assistant business is a good idea for some of us who can&#8217;t afford the luxary of paying good money for a one-on-one tutor/assistant. However, there is a limit on what I would pay for. Tutors and assistants don&#8217;t really require75% nonverbal communication (thank you Dr. Beaman) in order to effectively deliver their intended purpose. </p>
<p>In relation to what Matt Sprecher said, I too think that this is a funny article seeing that we as grad students are taking a good amount of online classes for our education. Isn&#8217;t this basically the same thing? It all depends on the subject matter and teaching methods. For instance, our online course in Six Sigma this quarter is very informative and is a great way to learn. This is mainly due to the interactive teaching methods provided. If I just sat there listening to a teacher speak or reading the words from a textbook, I would not get nearly as much out of it. Sometimes, online teaching is more appropriate in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris White</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2007/china/need-help-in-school/#comment-2957</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be hard to surprise me with similar stories of additional consumer services being outsourced to countries like India and China after reading this article.  This is really an incredible business concept that I never saw coming.  It has to send a message to American government officials and our society as a whole that something is wrong with our system if we cannot even afford to tutor our children in this country.  What really got me was that the student mentioned in the article uses the tutoring for help in English.  This is not necessarily a sign of an economic problem associated with businesses in the United States, but an issue involving the quality of education in this country.  While I am glad that students are receiving additional help outside of the classroom, is this method of tutoring really effective?  I agree with the above responses.  Certain things need to be done in person in order to effectively communicate knowledge and ensure understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be hard to surprise me with similar stories of additional consumer services being outsourced to countries like India and China after reading this article.  This is really an incredible business concept that I never saw coming.  It has to send a message to American government officials and our society as a whole that something is wrong with our system if we cannot even afford to tutor our children in this country.  What really got me was that the student mentioned in the article uses the tutoring for help in English.  This is not necessarily a sign of an economic problem associated with businesses in the United States, but an issue involving the quality of education in this country.  While I am glad that students are receiving additional help outside of the classroom, is this method of tutoring really effective?  I agree with the above responses.  Certain things need to be done in person in order to effectively communicate knowledge and ensure understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great business idea! The goal of TutorVista is to make education affordable for the masses.  Their teachers learn the American syllabi, teaching methods and culture in different courses and furthermore even our slang. Therefore many children probably don’t even realize that their tutor sits on another continent.  But what are the reasons that such a business idea is successful?

Somehow it is nonsense that our country is the one with the most science Nobel prizes but at the same time is not able to prove that its school system is panic-proof. I don’t think that this is because the quality of our schools is too bad. Moreover it’s due to a lack of individual attention from the teachers due to bigger classes for cost saving reasons.  Furthermore, today’s teachers tend to be overwhelmed because they have to deal with more social problems, which used to be solved in the family circle. Additionally, there are more and more households where both parents work and therefore they can not help the children with their homework, or they are simply not educated enough to do so.  TutorVista addresses exactly this problem.  I do agree with Steve that our society is moving away from personal communication, but I can also imagine that the children like to learn with the TutorVista system because it feels like the teacher would actually sit next to you and do the homework or studying together with you.  

Families spend money for their satellite TV and power bill and I can imagine that in the future, online tutoring will naturally belong to the budget as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great business idea! The goal of TutorVista is to make education affordable for the masses.  Their teachers learn the American syllabi, teaching methods and culture in different courses and furthermore even our slang. Therefore many children probably don’t even realize that their tutor sits on another continent.  But what are the reasons that such a business idea is successful?</p>
<p>Somehow it is nonsense that our country is the one with the most science Nobel prizes but at the same time is not able to prove that its school system is panic-proof. I don’t think that this is because the quality of our schools is too bad. Moreover it’s due to a lack of individual attention from the teachers due to bigger classes for cost saving reasons.  Furthermore, today’s teachers tend to be overwhelmed because they have to deal with more social problems, which used to be solved in the family circle. Additionally, there are more and more households where both parents work and therefore they can not help the children with their homework, or they are simply not educated enough to do so.  TutorVista addresses exactly this problem.  I do agree with Steve that our society is moving away from personal communication, but I can also imagine that the children like to learn with the TutorVista system because it feels like the teacher would actually sit next to you and do the homework or studying together with you.  </p>
<p>Families spend money for their satellite TV and power bill and I can imagine that in the future, online tutoring will naturally belong to the budget as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Munio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Munio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support any service offered at a lower price, especially if quality is preserved/improved.  There are a lot of services that are overpriced so this outsourcing benefits the consumer directly, and is worth the cost of some domestic jobs. For example, if medical surgeries are becoming more economic to be done abroad and their popularity is causing domestic practices to close down, so be it. I consider it a simple lesson in basic economics. 

Just as businesses are forced to outsource to keep up with competition, people will have to utilize these discounted services as well. If I want my (future) children to do well and stay competitive academically with their peers, then we will have to take advantage of services such as the TutorVista.

The lack of face-to-face communication is definitely a growing disadvantage to the current generation. "Friend Sites" such as myspace, facebook don't enhance socializing ability and comfort as well as when I used to knock on the door down the street to ask if Bobby can come out to play. Verbal communication is being phased out by the digital age. People would rather send a text or an email than talk verbally. These foreign-based services do contribute to that, but not enough to miss out on these valuable services. That is more of a larger cultural trend that we must find a way to counteract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support any service offered at a lower price, especially if quality is preserved/improved.  There are a lot of services that are overpriced so this outsourcing benefits the consumer directly, and is worth the cost of some domestic jobs. For example, if medical surgeries are becoming more economic to be done abroad and their popularity is causing domestic practices to close down, so be it. I consider it a simple lesson in basic economics. </p>
<p>Just as businesses are forced to outsource to keep up with competition, people will have to utilize these discounted services as well. If I want my (future) children to do well and stay competitive academically with their peers, then we will have to take advantage of services such as the TutorVista.</p>
<p>The lack of face-to-face communication is definitely a growing disadvantage to the current generation. &#8220;Friend Sites&#8221; such as myspace, facebook don&#8217;t enhance socializing ability and comfort as well as when I used to knock on the door down the street to ask if Bobby can come out to play. Verbal communication is being phased out by the digital age. People would rather send a text or an email than talk verbally. These foreign-based services do contribute to that, but not enough to miss out on these valuable services. That is more of a larger cultural trend that we must find a way to counteract.</p>
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