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• 1. Jeremiah  |  June 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

  Thanks Chris. Relevant or not, the Colbert video pretty much made my morning. I’m glad the student did “well” in the class.

• 2. Chris Carr  |  June 7th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

  Thanks, Jeremiah.

  Your Granite Studio blog is awesome.

  You put all of us blog geeks through quite a chase a while back trying to figure out which UC school you were at! Well played.

• 3. Chris  |  June 8th, 2007 at 12:55 am

  Brilliant. Just what I needed in the middle of grading final projects. (And thanks to Jeremiah for embedding it.)

• 4. Chris Carr  |  June 8th, 2007 at 8:13 am

  Thanks, Chris.

  I wish I had 1/10 of the creativity of guys like Colbert and Stewart (and their staffs).

• 5. Stacey Westenberger  |  June 9th, 2007 at 6:27 pm

  Although there might not be a direct tie to China in these videos, I think there is a connection with our motivation for going to China. In the Colbert video he makes fun of college students not wanting to be introduced to new ideas outside of their comfort level. However, our class is not taking this approach, but rather learning about business in China first hand, rather than talking about it in a classroom. We will be able to not only learn about principles affecting the businesses we visit, but also witness the culture and be immersed in a new, unfamiliar environment. This experience will definitely be a change to what many of us are used to in California, and be a beneficial way of learning.
  As for the Jon Stewart video, which was very entertaining, he again reminds us to be critical about what we are told in the media. This theme is coming up again and again in the books I have been reading for this trip. Each time, I am reminded to not just accept what I am told, but use my existing knowledge to analyze what is being portrayed and form my own opinions. I think this is a very important lesson as we are about to graduate from the MBA program and join the business world.

• 6. Chris Carr  |  December 17th, 2007 at 7:41 pm

  Apparently Comedy Central yanks its videos after a period of time.

  Below is the interview from Neil Cavaluto’s show, that gave rise to the Colbert spoof. And below that is the transcript of the Colbert spoof. Give it a read. Even if text form, Colbert makes you laugh and you can see why he retains supremacy as a comedy god. I trust you all see the relevance of this sarcasm to our China trip?

  A Student’s Mandatory Truth.

  Stephen: This savage attack on young minds brings us to tonight’s Word: Heated Debate. Folks, you know it, I know it, the left has a stranglehold on our universities. Professors are forcing our kids to submit to their pro-glacier agenda. But heroes like Barry aren’t taking it lying down.

  [Video: Barry Lucier: This was forced upon me to watch something that I didn’t believe it.]

  Stephen: Folks, at a “college” Barry was forced to think about something he didn’t already think. When you confront young people with information that doesn’t jibe with what they already believe they can get confused, or even worse, bitter.

  [Video: Neil Cavuto: Are you bitter?
  Barry Lucier: Uh, a little.]

  Stephen: Of course he’s bitter! He’s enrolled in a class where the professor thinks he knows more about the subject than the students! Last time I checked that is the definition of elitism. Hey, I’m no scientist but I thought there were supposed to be two sides to every story. (Mine & wrong) Sure there’s a vast consensus on global warming science, but doesn’t the opposing five percent deserve 50% of the time. In this core science class he probably got a syllabus full of “convention wisdom.” For instance they probably also told him the Earth revolves around the sun. (Actually revolves around Stephen) This is a relatively new and untested theory that’s only been around for 500 years. (Barely longer than Law & Order) But of course the Copernicus crowd doesn’t even mention Ptolemy’s view that the Earth is the center of the universe even though that theory has been around for 1900 years. It is 1400 years truer! But these days college is all about silencing the dissenters, it’s no longer a place to raise your hand, offer your minority viewpoint and have healthy and informed debate. (That’s Hannity and Colmes) The Barry Luciers of the world are entering a minefield of knowledge. Who knows what destructive information they’ll be confronted with next. (Student loan bill) That’s why all colleges should be forced to advertise every element of their curriculum so students are guaranteed that when the leave college they’ll be exactly the same as when they went in. (Give or take $160,000) That folks, is what I believe college is for. You take these unformed lumps of clay, leave them unformed lumps, then fire them in the kiln of unchallenged thought so they become rigid and never move again. That’s how you get well educated like Barry.

  [Video: Neil Cavuto: What was your grade?
  Barry Lucier: My grade was well.]

  Stephen: See? His grade was well. Now he make double plus think despite unwell school. Let’s just hope our future generations can do the same.

  And that’s the Word … from Stephen Colbert.

• 7. Angie Q. Dip  |  December 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 am

  I don’t watch Stewart and Colbert often, but from watching Stewart on Crossfire and reading the transcript from Colbert tells me they are quite smart and funny, and I love their sarcastic opinions. I enjoyed the video with Stewart. I felt bad for the two hosts, but the guy with the bow tie was not being very nice to be insulting his guest. These two hosts must hate Stewart if his appearance was really the reason for the show to be removed from CNN. The Stewart video is probably related to China in that we should not believe everything that we hear about China - be it negative or positive - we should see and find out for ourselves what is true and what is not.

• 8. Mark Polydoris  |  November 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

  I think this beautiful episode of Crossfire was what really legitimized guys like Stewart and Colbert over half of the other news shows on TV. Not only did Stewart bash Begala and Carlson’s credibility, but he also proved that some people are born funny and others simply aren’t. Carlson’s little side comments throughout the episode make him look like a jerk.

  You can even argue that Stewart and Colbert have more credibility than the pundits because they fairly and evenly bash EVERYONE. They’re also way more entertaining. As traditional new shows have become more sensationalized, The Daily Show and Colbert Report have become more legitimate, and they’re having an enormous impact on our generation. In the past year or so, I’ve seen Jon Stewart interview Valerie Plame, Vincente Fox, Madeline Albright, Dick Cheney’s wife, and the president of Bolivia. They’re getting real guests on their shows and they’re conducting real, informative interviews. And every major presidential candidate was on their shows too.

  While these videos don’t directly relate to China, I think it shows that being an informed young person is FINALLY cool again. It’s okay to be entertained and educated at the same time.

• 9. Jessica Harris  |  November 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

  Haha! I am still laughing from how horrible that kid made all college students look. I don’t think that as students we have to agree with everything that our professors teach us, but students should also be open minded enough to consider the option of it being true. As far as the Crossfire segment with Jon Stewert, I wish more people could share his opinion. Why isn’t there more debate with EDUCATED ARGUMENTS rather than fighting? Just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop…the world may never know.

• 10. Morgan O'Hara  |  December 16th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

  Having worked as a news producer, extremely rare was the journalist who actually put much thought into his or her pieces. More often things were rushed, material recycled, same steps covered. Many Italian journalists stationed in the US relied on the major networks –CNN, CBS, etc. – took their stories, and added a little spin. Viola, the news. Not much critical thinking involved, or any exploration of the very real undercurrents behind what happens. It was more of a gimmick than journalism. That being said, there were some great things about my job, as well as the people I worked with, and worked for. And of course, it is a lot easier to criticize the media for its shortfalls than to craft top-notch pieces. One could argue, is there even a mainstream audience for serious reporting? Or do people prefer the cookie-cutter pieces that inundate our television waves? And of course, slipshod work and corner-cutting abounds – not just in the field of journalism, but also in the business world (or so I presume).

  I was staggered by the Colbert Report clip. Reflecting on this last quarter, one of things that struck me is how I’ve become a better ‘interacter.’ I’m a better listener and speaker, and a more tolerant person. The ability to come to grips with and engage different worldviews is a talent. In OB we learned of the perils of defensive reasoning – stubbornness is pronounced when it comes to sensitive issues, be it self-reflection or politics. With regards to blue and red, most of us are set in our ways, and any inkling of divergence is seen as an attack and rebuffed. This leads to extreme partisanship, incoherent arguments, bad news channels, and yes, ‘well-graded’ college students who refuse to acknowledge differing perspectives, much less digest them. Kudos to Colbert.

  In Washington and on Main Street, both sides are filled with people who refuse to reach across the isle. Hopefully in these demanding times more of us will have the mettle to rise above petty bickering and tackle the pressing issues that face our world, our nation and our communities. Likewise, here at Cal Poly, we, as students, have the responsibility to engage in constructive discourse and grow as people – not shirk from the ideas that don’t mesh with our outlooks.

• 11. David McKinnon  |  January 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

  Funny stuff. I am not a big fan of either Jon Stewart or Colbert, but Colbert makes a good point. I take the stance of if you have a certain perspective, then you should examine it from all points and turn it inside out to make sure you really believe it. If it passes the thorough wringing then your belief in that perspective is that much stronger.

• 12. Jimmy Spann  |  January 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

  I think that these interviews were quite funny… I think that the best part of the first interview (Jon Stewart on Crossfire) was that Jon Stewart knew the exact reason he went on the show, and had a huge smirk on his face the whole time. And it even played right into his hands when Tucker compares Crossfire to The Daily Show. One is to be watched for factual purposes and the other clearly to be watched for comedic purposes.

  The second interview with the student who is forced to watch Al Gore’s Movie was pretty good. I don’t know how many things that I have been forced to do in my life, that I have been better off after I have done them. There is a lot of learning especially when you are forced to research a topic that you think you disagree with. You might change your stance after the further research or you might even strengthen your own argument, but either case is a win-win situation to me.

  I also think that these posts do have a correlation to China. We would not see any types of shows like these in China. Shows that make fun of the governing body would most likely be censored and not happen at all. It is one great privilege that we have here in America that is not given to the rest of the world. I am also interested to ask Chinese, or foreigners in general, “How these types of shows make us look as Americans?” First we elect them (politicians), and then make fun of them the whole time they are in office? If that was the case then why did we elect them in the first place? Or is it one of those situations that there will always be some comedy in political decisions and speeches?

  Just some questions to think about and play a little bit of devil’s advocate. I do really like these comedy shows and don’t want them to change or go anywhere.

• 13. Scotty Hayes  |  January 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

  I love it!

  I have always respected Stewart and Colbert. Even if I do not completely agree with their views, I know they formed their opinion with an open mind. That is the problem today. Politicians on the left will always be on the left and politicians on the right will always be on the right. Instead of debating, politicians spend their time digging up dirt on their opponent. We need good ideas and leaders for the future, regardless of political affiliation.

  Why are Stewart and Colbert so offensive to some people? Sometimes the truth hurts…

• 14. James McMillan  |  February 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

  I feel bad for that kid. He’s just too young and immature to really understand his comments and why he’s wrong about claiming about having to watch “an Inconvenient Truth.” I’m so glad Colbert decided to do a stint on him. I don’t see how that kid could have not felt stupid after watching himself. I wonder if the commentator on Fox News expressed any points of agreement with him.

  As far as crossfire goes, is that show even still on? The name sounds familiar but maybe I just don’t get home early enough to catch it. I wonder what its rating did after Jon Stewart’s appearance. The audience certainly appeared to side with Jon by laughing at all the comments that called Tucker out. I’m glad he made his appearance and spoke his mind. There are too many “news” programs that are so obviously one sided but pretend to be “fair and balanced” when in fact their programs are filled with political hacks. And by the way, dude totally needs to lose the bow tie.

  I do see the connection here to China though. Lesson learned, even if you don’t agree with something, be open-minded, consider all points of views, and be appreciative that you are getting insight from a different perspective.

• 15. Amy Cook  |  March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

  I watched both of these clips when we did the initial Jon Stewart blog. I think I actually ended up on the Colbert website for quite awhile watching several other clips. I like that both comedians are able to make jokes about the state of our country and comment on how ridiculous some of our media and politics can be. What I really like is that when it comes down to it, they are really intelligent guys who really care about the state of our media and country and who aren’t afraid to offend someone who is being an ignorant jerk. I once saw Jon Stewart interview a kid (about 19) who had made a ton of money online selling videos of homeless people he had paid to beat each other up in front of his cameras. Stewart pretty much just had him on the show to give him a stern talking-to about social responsibility. It was the first time I saw him get really serious and angry during an interview. It gave me a stronger respect for what Jon Stewart does. He jokes, but he cares too.

• 16. David Caldwell  |  March 16th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

  Finding unbiased, reliable, spin-free is getting harder and harder with the rise of “infotainment.” One of my professors from the Aero program told us about how he had subscribed to Al Jezeera, and watched it side-by-side to get the whole story during the invasion of Iraq. It’s like there are flickers of truth scattered about, and we basically have to stare at digg, reddit, cnn, wsj, nyt, etc etc just to get a basic understanding of what’s going on around us.

  Watching that interview with Barry Lucifer (great last name, btw) reminded me of the sense of entitlement with young people that I hear complained about so much; I might actually agree with Barry’s stance on the environment (I need to go see Inconvenient Truth and Doomsday Called Off now), but I’m not about to go onto a national news show to complain about how I thought that a professor treated me unfairly - that’s what roommates are for. How slow of a news day must it have been for the producers of that show to let him on?

• 17. Scotty Hayes  |  March 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

  I am kicking myself in the ass right now for not doing more of these posts on the cold and rainy days we had this winter. I am having troubles responding to the Jon Stewart is still a God post, so I am doing it on this post. I don’t know why Stewart doesn’t take the next step and run for office. He obviously knows what he is talking about and has a passion for it. Why not? We have governors who are wrestlers and even terminators. One of our best presidents was an actor. Stewart would definitely have my vote.

  While on the Comedy Central site I watched the Jon Stewart interview with Jim Cramer of Mad Money - March 12th. It is the soberest I have ever seen Stewart. I really recommend it. It is mainly about the news’ role in the financial meltdown. My favorite line to Cramer was that you can make “finance entertaining, but it’s not a fuc&ing joke.” Cramer as well as many in the industry knew of what was going to happen. He is really stressing the importance of bringing fundamentals back to reporting. Again, worth your time.

• 18. Dan N  |  December 28th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

  Timely reading of this post… the Dec 11 issue of The Economist had this to say about the recent tax cut extension legislation pushed through by Obama and Congress: “neither the president nor the Republican leadership in Congress so much as nodded to concerns about the soaring national debt while unveiling the deal. Instead, they showed they could compromise only by buying one another off…”

  It’s terrifying to think that Washington politicians are now playing a game of Hot Potato where the goal is to pass the responsibility of making unpopular decisions off to someone else even if it means that the American public suffers from the delay. Is there anyone in Washington these days who is willing to set aside their political careers - and the stature of their party - for the sake of the people they claim to serve?

  If you tell the voters that you will do something if elected and they elect you, follow through. Period. Why has it become so acceptable for campaign promises to be broken the moment our officials take office? You are the legal expert Prof Carr, why can’t The People file a class action law suit against these guys for violating their verbal contracts with us?

  Jon Stewart is right, our politicians see things as a win-lose proposition. They are more interested in beating their opponents and winning face-to-face battles (that form reelection platforms) then they are in engaging in side-by-side problem-solving on behalf of the American public. There is no such thing as the “right thing” for America. There is only the “Republicans” way and the “Democrats” way. Anything else is a sign of weakness amongst your peers.

  Forgive me if I’m not making any sense. I admit that my understanding of American politics is inadequate. I’m just telling it like I see it. If we’re choosing not to pay our bills so that our children can pay them, that is just stupid. I want my children to have the same - if not better - opportunities then I have. Period. Make it happen Obama et. al.

• 19. Dan N  |  December 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

  For those interested, the infamous Tucker Carlson was in the news again today for some comments about NFL quarterback, Michael Vick.

  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/12/tucker-carlson-michael-vick-dogs-obama.html

• 20. Katie Moeller  |  January 7th, 2011 at 10:12 am

  The connection I see between the Colbert video and China is that we need to be open to learning. I think the trap that many people get in is that they think they know everything. I think it’s also because the younger generations think it’s their way or no way. It’s similar to the college student in the video trying to give his opinion on his professor and the class. He has no clue. It makes me worry for our future. I think the lesson I can take from this video is to be open-minded and be willing to take the time to understand, learn new things, and be receptive to others. This will be critical on the trip to China because it will provide many new experiences and learning opportunities.

  The video of Jon Stewart didn’t serve much purpose for me. I do know I don’t have much knowledge in regards to politics so it is a growth opportunity for me.

• 21. David Hart  |  January 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

  I remember seeing this Crossfire Video with Jon Stewart on television a few years ago. He is absolutely right–when will the media learn? The major networks seem to feel like they have to make the news entertaining for us to watch, rather than reporting objectively. Of course they are only doing what the American consumer wants. Jon Stewarts exposure of this problem in this video is fantastic. Of course, things aren’t any better today than they were at the time of the interview.

  I think Americans would solve more problems if they decided to work together and remain open minded. I also loved the Colbert Report’s discussion of the college student. It certainly is human nature to think that we are right. This attitude does not allow one to grow or understand the world.

  I think one of the most important characteristics college students should learn is to view all sides of an issue with an open mind. Listen to all sides and try to understand the arguments. People with different opinions than us are not enemies. In fact, we may sometimes discover that we are wrong and they are right. This allows us to expand our worldview and make informed decisions. Even if we don’t agree with an opposing viewpoint, it is important for us to at least understand the other side.

• 22. Randy Camat  |  January 14th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

  I have to admit that I have never really watched The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, but after watching those video clips, especially Jon Stewart giving it to Tucker Carlson, I became a fan. I have always disliked what I hear and see on the television and the media’s portrayal of what is or seems to be important. Stewart was very courageous in his statement that Crossfire (or the media in general) was hurting America and to stop hurting America. The audience and the two guys laughed at the statement probably because they thought he was being a comedian, but in reality, he was totally correct. I think the media does feed the American public false perceptions. I also think that is why Stewart said, “…but you can sleep at night.” At least Stewart (and Colbert) is shedding light on what the media is hiding from the public. In the video on the “Heated Debate,” Colbert exposed Fox’s intentions of making it seem important to have students only learn what they want to in an unchallenged environment. The media knows that less people are reading newspapers and turning to televised news to stay informed. From what I got from the videos, you shouldn’t always believe what you hear and/or see on television.

  Here’s a pretty entertaining and interesting video on Former President Bill Clinton giving it to Fox News.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY

• 23. Cassie Bettencourt  |  January 17th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

  I found the Colbert video transcript quite entertaining. The discussion about college students becoming bitter when faced with a new opinion/issue/experience reminded me of some of the grumbles I’ve heard from fellow classmates about being required to go on this trip to China. Yes, it will be out of some (all?) of our comfort levels, but I believe it is imperative that we travel with an open mind. The fact that we are business students and business is a more pragmatic/rational field, it is necessary that we view both the pros and cons of an experience or something we learn in an honest light.

  In regards to the Jon Stewart Crossfire video, I agreed with pretty much everything he said. It makes no logical sense for Tucker Carlson to call out Stewart for not asking Kerry more probing questions. Stewart is exactly right and sensical in calling out Carlson for performing theater instead of debate. Almost everything we hear in the media is “spun” whether it is politics or not. As a democratic nation, it should be the duty of our news authorities to report truthfully and neutrally so that we can make the best decisions necessary for our country. I can definitely see how this would make our interactions with a place like China challenging. If we can’t even understand our politicians’ agendas, how is the international world supposed to understand? Finally, I thought what Stewart said about the people least likely to win get to speak the most freely was really insightful and so true in our political processes.

• 24. Jessica Shayler  |  January 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

  Bow-tie man and the other dude were definitely not active listeners. They were itching to jump on the defensive the moment Stewart said Crossfire was hurting America. Jon Stewart dominated that dialog despite numerous attempts from bow-tie man (I hate bow-ties) to put Stewart on the defensive. They never bothered to address Stewart’s accusation that Corssfire was more theatre than debate and thus they were not doing what they set out to do (provide a forum for debate). Instead, they just tried to embarrass Stewart by saying he didn’t take his work seriously enough…. His work as a comedian…. These guys came across as fools. Which is unfortunate because I’m sure they are not. But all they did on the show was reinforce with their actions what Stewart accused them of being: theatre.

  Nevermind students…. We’re really in trouble if even working professionals “refuse to accept data of new information that does not jibe with their preconceived ideas…”

• 25. Robbin Forsyth  |  January 28th, 2011 at 9:38 am

  As fun as these videos are to watch but… The media fueled partisan nonsense has only grown more in entrenched since the shows originally aired.
  Stewart’s comment about the Crossfire hosts playing into the hands of corporate and politician’s interests is timely but dated. I am afraid that in the past several years, this has changed from naiveté to malicious intent.
  An example of this is the reaction of certain people in the media to the Rolling Stone article written by Michael Hastings that ended the career of General Stanley McCrystal. CBS journalist Lara Logan, (who has built her career on top of the Irag war) attempted to take Hastings for breaking the “trust” provided as a term of his military access. In my opinion, this must be viewed as a response dictated by her corporate masters, (CBS) and the government entity that allowed her the access to build her career.
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/lara-logan-slams-michael_n_627601.html
  If you want to have a fun read, see Matt Talibbi’s Rolling Stone editorial. It is effective, but also shows the other side of the coin that Talibbi represents. He writes in a hyper liberalized, martyr like style that can be tiresome.
  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/lara-logan-you-suck-20100628
  (Sorry Professor Carr, I know these are not the most scholarly references, but I believe that they effectively support the point).

  The fact that we have to look to Comedy Central for the most objective analysis in the US mass media is a sad commentary. I believe that this will only get worse in the near future. The Comcast acquisition of NBC Universal that was approved last week could be the start of a dramatic media consolidation that can only make this worse. The new NBC Universal will now vertically control media through creation, commercial distribution and consumer tv / internet access in way never seen before. If this merger is successful, (keep your fingers crossed it fails like AOL/TimeWarner did) it will lead to other such consolidations across the media landscape. How “fair and balanced” will the news and political discourse be if 2 or 3 mega-corporations control out outlets of media in the entire country?

  The Colbert piece is obviously funny but has to be taken in the context of entertainment. How much did Fox News paid the kid to be on the show? What did Colbert edit out of the interview?
  If you think Colbert’s rant is unfounded check out the Creation Museum. There really are flat earth types in the USA. http://creationmuseum.org/
  And just to be “fair and balanced” check out an academic view point on the cult of global warming. http://www.tech-evangelist.com/2007/03/22/global-warming-cult/

• 26. Brady Haug  |  January 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

  I loved Jon Stewarts thoughts on how today’s political talk/news shows are hurting America. When Tucker Carlson tried to chastise Stewart for not asking the hard questions to politicians he has on his show, he went off. The fact that the puppet crank calling show, Crank Yankers, is on prior to his show, certainly gives him more leeway on his responsibility to the public, than Crossfire. In criticizing Crossfire further, Stewart is not all that friendly to his guests on the show. He puts them on the spot and often really digs to the heart of current issues, but just in a satirical way. In the Crossfire segment, you see Stewart acting as I believe he would if he hosted a show like Crossfire. His show is for political comedy, but political talk shows are for debate. I think he attacks Tucker Carlson as he would have other politicians, given the right venue. I also loved his comment that Crossfire was doing theater and not debate. I do think that shows such as Crossfire have a responsibly, at least ten fold that Stewart does, to public discourse. I didn’t find that these posts related much to China, but Steven Colbert’s segment referenced the issue of global warming. Americans do need to become more knowledgeable about global issues. I think often we live in a bubble and that we have too strong of preconceived notions. It is imperative that when we travel abroad, we are open to challenging our thoughts and perspectives.

• 27. Tim Easton  |  January 29th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

  These videos were great. I am huge fan of Stewart and Colbert, and frequently watch their shows. Stewart did an excellent job on Crossfire, and really pointed out the problems with the media. I think that Stewart does a great job of balancing humor and content on The Daily Show, so the criticism he received on Crossfire wasn’t necessary in my opinion. His show his on Comedy Central, so come on people, it’s not that serious. As for the interview with Barry, we are in serious trouble if that is the opinion of college students now. The fact that he threw that big of a fit for being taught something he didn’t believe in is scary. I completely agree with the point that Stacey made up above. Through this visit to China we are broadening our horizons, and getting a firsthand experience on how business works in China. Hopefully we can start to change the attitudes of American students, or we are in trouble.

• 28. Sarah Weinzapfel  |  January 31st, 2011 at 5:46 pm

  The main points that I took away from these videos, and I think the points they were put up to make, are that when we arrive in China we need to constantly try not to grasp onto our existing “positions” and beliefs when we are pushed out of comfort zone. We can say we will have an open mind about beliefs and we will be open to learning to new things all we want in the comfort of our own culture, but when we are blindsided with an unexpected culture shock, it’s going to be a lot harder to leave our beliefs behind in our bubble.

  As far as the Crossfire video, it was hard for me to watch. That undeniable awkward tension is the exact reason I don’t discuss politics or watch political shows such as Crossfire. No one was ever really listening to each other and I think it was all downhill after Carlson compared Crossfire to comedy show. He was asking for it there. The point I took away from this video behind all of the arguing is that news we read and hear about China is probably “spun” and just feeds into our unrealistic stereotypes about China.

• 29. Matt Streiter  |  January 31st, 2011 at 5:47 pm

  John Stewart makes a critical point that his show and Crossfire hold different responsibilities. John Stewart’s show, being held on comedy central, is made to appeal to a targeted demographic. Although politically charged, the show is given leeway to bend the traditions of political talk shows because of its setup. Shows like Crossfire on CNN hold more of a responsibility to produce politically correct and informative material in order to fulfill its purpose. I personally would rather watch a show like John Stewarts’ for purely general informative news since most political figures will dodge controversial questions with some middle-of-the-road answer anyway.

  Regarding Colbert’s news report, that kid is ridiculous. Going to college is about gaining new insights and learning, turning the other way when new information that you don’t agree with is presented to you will hinder your opportunity to grow. Understanding your opposition will only further enhance your grasp on the given topic. But maybe I’m wrong, he apparently got a “well grade” in his class.

• 30. Kristine Spencer  |  February 4th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

  A true test of someone’s maturity and wisdom comes from their ability to accept differences and their effort to understand other people’s ideas and opinions. This is the issue that arises in both of the videos. News shows today make my head want to explode: no one listens to anyone, there is constant arguing, nothing gets solved, and everyone blames everyone. The system and theatrics of American politics is not benefiting the people. Less gets done to actually help anyone, and more people become separated because of the party or issue they support. Tucker Carlson, Hannity, and all the rest just feed this system, and it is refreshing to see Jon Stewart buck the system. I appreciate Jon Stewart because of his humorous and informative show, but I also feel that he has more of a genuine desire to help people and make a difference than other news broadcasters.

  The student on the Colbert Report is obviously too immature to be able to have a discussion and says he can’t want the video because he doesn’t believe in global warming. Instead of watching the video, listening to someone else’s point of view, and forming his own opinions, he completely rejects the video and makes a huge drama queen scene. Yes, college is a great place to expand your point of view and learn, but every discussion and encounter is an opportunity to decide for yourself what you believe in and what you don’t. I think that going to China will be a significant opportunity to challenge ourselves in this sense because it will be so different than what most of us have ever experienced.

• 31. Chris Bruns  |  February 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

  Jeez, every time I watch Colbert and Stewart they kill me. I was a regular viewer of Colbert, and an occasional viewer of Stewart, until I began the busy life of an MBA student. The best part about watching their shows is that regardless of the guest or the material, they poke fun at the system, show the flaws, and voice where they think things should be fixed. Two people with different ideas should be able to listen to each others’ points of view then respond civilly. It shouldn’t just explode into a shouting match and where no one gains or learns anything from the experience. It is my opinion, and the Stewart video shows it, that people genuinely don’t like taking criticism or being informed that there may be another way to do something. It seemed to me that Stewart legitimately wanted to accomplish something, but the hosts of the show were not having it. There is always room for improvement and another way to get results. My main takeaway from the Colbert clip was first, if you don’t agree with the other side of an argument or belief, you should at least learn and understand it so you can better refute it. The second was Colbert’s explanation of college, “That folks, is what I believe college is for. You take these unformed lumps of clay, leave them unformed lumps, then fire them in the kiln of unchallenged thought so they become rigid and never move again.”

  Sidenote: Only Jon Stewart could burn somebody so badly about wearing a bowtie. And then call him a dick.

• 32. Jason Jay Sharma  |  February 13th, 2011 at 3:26 am

  After watching (and reading about) both these clips, the main point that they both convey to me are that you always be open-minded. As a group of MBA students touring China, each of us have preconceived notions about the country, their people, and their politics. What is helping us to breakdown what we know, and explore other aspects are all these blogs that we must read. Learning a little more about China each day doesn’t necessarily change my opinions, but it does help me to understand the unknowns of China a little bit better.

  Jon Stewart on Crossfire–amazing! I actually remembering watching this as a freshman at Cal Poly for a Political Science course prior to the elections, and the professor predicted it would lead to big changes to the program. Yeah, the big change was being cancelled! As I mentioned in the previous post related to Jon Steward, it amazes me how much we trust non-traditional news outlets. I use to consider myself a news junkie, but in all honesty, sometimes I couldn’t be bother to read or even watch the news.

  As for Colbert, I feel slightly ashamed as a college student. This does, also, remind me of a similar incident as an undergraduate freshman. In a Biology class, we were required to read “Evolution and the Myth of Creationism: A Basic Guide to the Facts in the Evolution Debate.” I was shocked when the professor needed to take about 20 minutes to preface the requirement, mentioning that he wasn’t trying to push a beliefs or anti-religion. Firstly, Creationism, really? How can I type something to demonstrate my rolling eyes? Secondly, for those who do believe in Creationism, they should be open minded enough to come to an educational institution and learn something new or different.

  Hopefully, paying attention to all these comedian news reporters will lead to a more open-minded and willing to learn generation.

• 33. Will Moeller  |  February 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

  There’s something to be said for too much smugness in the media. This Jon Stewart video from Crossfire was an instant classic as he called out Tucker Carlson for being the smug, 35-year old who wears a bowtie. As long as we’re on the Comedy Central kick, this reminds me of a great moment from another one of my favorite high-brow Comedy Central shows, South Park. I believe the line goes something like “San Francisco was so smug it disappeared right up its own…”
  …well I don’t remember the rest, but nonetheless I think the point is that sometimes comedy and straight talk get the point across better than pontificating.

  So what does this mean for our China trip? I’m not totally sure. But this video is a good reminder to - especially on political and cultural issues - keep an open mind.

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• 34. Ben Raymond  |  February 15th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

  I enjoy both The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. I find Stewart and Colbert both informative and extremely amusing. There is a reason they are on Comedy Central however and I never confuse them for an entirely legitimate source of news. At the same time its becoming harder and harder to consider many of the major news networks a legitimate source of news. Everyone has their own agenda and every time I watch there shows I see two politicians arguing the entire time without considering what the other is saying which leads to nothing being accomplished. This was pretty evident in the way that the hosts of Crossfire handled Stewart’s criticism, especially Tucker Carlson. Instead of listening and responding they just fired back with predetermined criticism, which were also ridiculous. I found it pretty hilarious that Tucker Carlson was inadvertently comparing the The Daily Show to Crossfire.

  Cobert’s segment was good as well. College is about opening yourself to new ideas and ways of thinking that you haven’t considered before. Otherwise college would be useless. To refuse to educate yourself on something because you don’t agree with it is ridiculous. It shows very narrow minded thinking and I believe that when that student sees himself on The Colbert Report he will realize that.

  These segments show the value of their shows in that they are not afraid to call it like they see it and bring pertinent issues that few are looking at to the attention of the public.

• 35. Tyler Sereno  |  February 15th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

  I was not expecting Jon Stewart to completely burn bow-tied Tucker Carlson in the Crossfire video, but he pummeled him and held nothing back. He felt free to speak his mind and he made great points. It was a little hard to watch during the awkward moments. It looked like Tucker Carlson wanted to hit him. But I do not blame Jon Stewart for the way he acted towards him. I mean it is pretty hard to take that giy seriously with his bow tie.

  The Stephen Colbert short video reminded me to keep an open mind when we go on the China trip. There was a time when I might not have been so accepting of the new culture and opinions of China. But I have learned a lot more about China and I am excited for the opportunity to go there and learn about the Chinese business culture.

• 36. Ashley Ogden  |  February 15th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

  Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are trying to raise some awareness to the fact that people get too tied up in their own beliefs that they aren’t open to discuss on the topic. It seems funny when Colbert makes fun of the college student, but this is reality. I hear people and students talk like this all the time. They think one way and refuse to listen to any contrary idea. I am always trying to be conscious of this myself. I want to be open to discussion on any issue and try not to be closed-minded. Tucker Carlson seems a little close-minded himself. I have never watched Crossfire, but it seems as if it would be two people yelling at each other without communicating effectively. It is ironic that most of our newscasters don’t really know how to communicate effectively. They have their pre-conceived questions and topics and refuse to veer off the script. Cooperation and understanding are two valuable traits that will be especially handy when traveling abroad and talking to foreigners.

• 37. Jessie Wilkie  |  February 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

  I thought the Colbert video was a riot! I felt so bad for the student, Barry, he tore apart though. Unfortunately, the poor guy was a necessary sacrifice to make his comedic, truthful point. Some people are just ridiculous about changing their beliefs or being open to the idea of new science (5% of the people who disagree should get 50% of the time, right?). This video applied to us students too because more often than not there are times in our academic careers where we might not believe new figures that are coming out because they conflict with our existing beliefs. It is good for us to be aware of this fact.

  Jon Stewart’s guest appearance on Crossfire was amazing. “It’s not so much that it’s bad as that it’s hurting America.” I feel like that quote sums up what he was trying to say. The fact that he accused the media of hurting, not helping America was great. It is reminiscent with the fact that Chinese media and the propaganda department end up polarizing and actually hurting the Chinese people. It’s ironic too because us Americans think that we have great free press and media and we condemn the autocratic Chinese media. When in all reality, we also have slanted and sometimes tyrannical media. As demonstrated by the way that they treated Jon Stewart on crossfire. He was bringing up some very important information about how the American media is theater and skewed. He was pleading for the American citizens so that they would have better media. The two crossfire guys were complete jerks to him. Stewart, however, held strong to his beliefs with his “I’m not going to be your monkey” comment summing this up.

• 38. Anthony Kallioinen  |  February 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm

  I must say, these clips are fantastic! I really enjoy both the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. I’ve seen these clips before (Jon Stewart is still a god blog) and I’ve shown them to others on multiple occasions because of how confrontational the interaction between Jon and Tucker Carlson is. The ‘Crossfire’ interview was really heated and gave me a glimpse of Jon Stewart out of character and off cue cards, and a view of his goals in asking crossfire to turn into an honest debate show. I’m just a shocked as he was that this show sees his show as a competitor. The only argument ‘Crossfire’ had was that Jon had a fantastic opportunity to interview Kerry and instead he did exactly what his show does – comedic interviews making fun of the system in place.

  I feel that this blog is a good view of how our best news reporting can come from comedians because politicians only use bi-partisan arguments/puppets to create chaos to confuse the public. This mess needs to be clarified by honest debate, and as Jon Stewart has clearly pointed out, there is yet to be a platform for this.

  This is extremely relevant in the conversation with China. Going off of what Kaiser Kuo said in his speech (Red Guards against Rednecks blog): there is incredible room for both Americans and Chinese to misinterpret one another. Our relationship with the Chinese is really important and we need people like Jon Stewart to point out the absurdities in our system in hopes of reform.

• 39. j hurley  |  February 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

  The Colbert clip was classic Colbert sarcasm, humor and wit…It’s always funny to watch.
  Stewart on Crossfire, however was much more entertaining. You have to love how Stewart can be such a smart ass with out saying much, his answers and responses are so quick. Aside from being very funny, Stewart brings up some very important and valuable facts regarding how the media interacts with politics. It’s good to see that not all people are so close minded and one sided…

• 40. Tara Millard  |  March 2nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm

  While the Jon Steward video stressed me out beyond belief (primarily due to the man in the bow-tie), this segment proved the power of Jon Stewart. I look up to this man more than ever. While I have a dozen favorite quotes from this segment, the heated discourse over media influence on politics was amazing. Crossfire (primarily the man in the bow-tie) is accusing Jon Stewart of not covering politics adequately. Jon Stewart ingeniously rebuts with the fact that Crossfire is on CNN, a network that has a responsibility to the public discourse, while the Jon Stewart show follows a show about puppets on Comedy Central. This segment proved extremely entertaining even in the face of a serious and frankly pissed off Jon Stewart.

  Although entertaining, this segment raises some serious issues in American politics. The political coverage in the media has a responsibility to American citizens, yet they are failing miserably. More Americans turn to Jon Stewart, a comedian on a comedy station, for political discussions rather than a legitimate network and show designated to covering these topics. Jon Stewart points out that while Crossfire has a responsibility to the public they spend the show engaging in theatre rather than meaningful debate. Jon Stewart has won the love of the public through comedy but he is not afraid to address real life issues. The men on Crossfire are another story.

  The Colbert video while very entertaining, was all too true. As College Students and American citizens we are too quick to believe something just because it has been taught to us. We seem to ignore the fact that in our own lives, and thus in education politics etc., all statements are subjective. Even if everyone witnesses the same thing, life experience and cultural ties will make every person’s story unique and generally very different. I think it is very important to keep this in mind on our trip to China. While we may have learned things one way, that doesn’t mean it is the only correct answer. Perspectives are a part of life and a part of learning and without opening our eyes and minds, we cant expect to succeed in this global economy.

• 41. Amanda Podesta  |  March 2nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm

  … the Colbert transcript irked me. Especially, how Colbert used a sample of ONE student to make broad value statements about college students in general. What?! Of course, I understand this is meant to be enjoyed on the surface as comedy but I was put off by the deeper undertones of the writing teams and professional orators whom subtly and intentionally were seeking to shift their audiences’ attitudes and beliefs. Give me comedy any day, Mr. Colbert, but lay off the preaching and trying to manipulate me with manufactured outrage and a bloated monologue.

• 42. Kyle R.  |  March 7th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

  These videos definitely point out some major flaws that exist here in America. John Stewart emphasizes that there is not necessarily a right or wrong answer in politics, but just debating for entertainment does not benefit the everyday citizen. The media has so much power and influence in America and this is how they choose to spend their time? I tend to become annoyed with all the bickering that occurs in debates such as this because nobody seems to be listening to each other. Each party is just trying to prove their case with no regard to the other party’s opinion. Even when they became heated in the debate, all three people seemed to only care about their perspective. How can they deal with foreign policy, when this is how they deal with each other?

  In regards to Stephen Colbert’s segment, I feel he was just trying to prove that people need to keep an open mind about all issues and form their own opinions. Often times it seems as if people don’t want to accept or believe anything that is against their current viewpoint. I believe it’s more beneficial for all parties involved to actively listen to the details of a situation, then take an analytical approach when forming their viewpoint.

• 43. JP Salazar  |  March 12th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

  I have seen the clip of Jon Stewart of Crossfire a number of times now and his point always sings true to me. The media fueled partisanship has got to stop. I think it is so true that our media sources, our news outlets have become channels for theatre. News organizations are not interested in reporting fair and honest news. They are profit making entities whose goal is to pander to a certain group of people. They spout off biased and inflammatory opinions and try to pass it off as news. People like Glen Beck and the hosts from Crossfire are not reporters. They are entertainers. And I love how in the video the hosts try to justify their actions by saying that Jon Stewart acts in the same way. Really? The Daily Show is a comedy program and in no way tried to pass itself off as a reputable source. Crossfire, on the other hand, it looked to by its viewers to understand the politics behind key issues. What they are getting, however, is a partisan caricature of the worst parts of the political landscape, namely the far left and the far right. I can not stand to watch cable news anymore.
  In relation to the China trip, this post identifies an interesting concept. In my negotiations class we learned about a confirmatory bias that people rely on. Basically, people only pay attention to the facts and information that confirms their preconceived notions and ignore those that go against them. It is important to go into an opportunity like this China trip with an open mind. I do not want to risk meeting someone, trying something new, or learning about a new idea because I was closed off. While I might have some preconceived notions about what China is like, I will do my best to check those once we get off the plane and get into the country. I want to be able to see China for everything that it is, not just see it through a lens of preconceptions.

• 44. J Vail  |  March 14th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

  I always embrace any opportunity to watch Stewart and Colbert, but I haven’t really seen them as guests on other’s shows. The crossfire clip was great – I always find it amusing that analysts such as Tucker Carlson can only argue that Stewart ‘doesn’t take things seriously’ on his show, only to turn around and be out debated by him on Carlson’s own show. It’s also great that Stewart explicitly stated that shows where they constantly focus on threats to the American people are “hurting America”.

  As far as the lesson to be drawn from the Colbert show, I think it would be very hard to sympathize with Barry Lucier, a college student who would take ignorance all the way to national television. I’m not surprised in the least bit either that he was a guest of Fox “News”. Although right to protest is valued highly in America, I think there is no justification to listening and learning about another view point – you’re welcome to believe whatever you want afterwards.

• 45. Chris F.  |  March 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

  Both clips were funny and had their own lessons to share. With Jon Stewart, it was good to see him out of a funny man role and get down to some serious issues about America, the media and politicians. I agree there are rarely times when politicians are scrutinized in a “hot seat” and asked the hard questions that they will have to deal with when in office during their campaign. Cheers to Jon Stewart for busting out the cast of Crossfire for failing to get facts and debate on issues that is in the public’s best interest. How can Tucker Carlson compare how Jon Stewart didn’t do his job when asking weak questions to John Kerry? I mean Jon Stewart - his show is preceded by muppets on phones on Comedy Central; Tucker Carlson - his show is on Cable News Network (CNN), a 24-hour all news network in America. We really should be holding our leaders accountable for their actions or inactions during their time in office; maybe we can work together to get out of our troubles.

  On the Stephen Colbert clip, I agree that there are some students who don’t have an open mind on things and can see different perspectives on issues. That is their loss. The world isn’t just black and white; there are whole shades in between. Being close minded and not accepting other peoples perspectives will be a hindrance if you are trying to be a business person in the global economy. You have to adapt to changes and perspectives or else you will be left behind. While you don’t have to accept the other side’s perspective, not acknowledging it at all is an even greater disservice to yourself. Don’t be a mindless lemming. True story.

• 46. Omar Pradhan  |  March 18th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

  I saw the Jon Stewart / Tucker Carlson debate a few years back… Was as good and relevant then as it is now. Great to see this here as a topic to reflect on. Sadly, change is slow but I believe things are improving. A generation of young people are watching / have been watching Stewart and Colbert and are / have realized just how much of the so called “news” is pure garbage spin… Speaking of which, a few years back I watched Brian Springer’s documentary “Spin” (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353#) and it further brought into focus just how much Carlson and his ilk are manipulating reality. Very, very sad indeed but folks like Stewart, Colbert, and recently Pete Dominick (XM Radio) keep me hopeful. And emerging “information” technology platforms (on which we can enjoy nuance / think for ourselves) also give me hope. Perhaps in a few years’ time the majority of folks in our nation will be watching such shows (and others, e.g. Bill Moyers Journal) exclusively on web enabled devices, with easy to follow hyperlinks to facilitate thinking beyond the message AND sharing with friends on our social networking sites of choice. Another thought, given how these two have and continue to benefit our collective issue awareness / national discourse, I wonder if this isn’t somehow the formula to follow in other parts of the world (China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, N. Korea, etc.)…in due time. As an aside, I showed the Stewart / Carlson clip to a law professor (she was an associate of the late Walter Cronkite and I had her for corporate finance, corporations, agency & partnership) in her office and, sadly, she didn’t crack a smile!? To this day I’m not sure what to make of that…perhaps this goes to the “in due time” part of my last thought? Could it be that older generations aren’t as skeptical of bias, more trusting…or could it be that they are less practiced at manipulating digital technology to help them go beyond the headlines and actually think for themselves? Anyhow, bottom line for me is that these two are pure genius and a necessary part of OUR informed, thoughtful, participatory future.

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