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What A Trip Alumni Reports He Is Seeing On-The-Ground In (Southern) China

This post seeks to provide you with a possible context in which to view and better understand our trip to China.

I recently touched based with one of our graduates working for a US firm that manufactures its product in China and exports the product back to the US and Europe. His firm is finding that establishing and managing the supply chain in an emerging market like China can be a challenge.  I asked him, “What are you now seeing happening on the ground in China?  And its pros and cons?” and he noted the below:

>Dear Professor Carr,

Good to hear from you. I hope the school year is going well and the students are preparing themselves for the incredible experience that is China. I am still loving the hustle and bustle of China. There is so just much more energy here compared to the US, and opportunities are in abundance.

There are some major changes on the ground here that I have seen in recent months.

One change is the shortage of raw materials, not just in our [XX] industry but in the [YY] industry as well. These are the two industries I have direct contact with but I suspect this change is across the board.

[One of my Orfalea College classmates also in China] has also been telling me how there was a massive shortage of parts for the OEM electronics business and only the big companies who have the buying power were getting what they needed. The smaller firms had to sit and wait for parts. (His company at the time was having one of their bigger customers place the parts orders that other smaller companies needed.) In my industry costs have gone up due to demand, and finding specific lesser-used materials has become difficult. Unless you are a big company and can meet the high order requirements of most factories to run a specific material, you can sometimes be out of luck.

Also, when the downturn in the economy started a year or two back, raw material vendors cut back production in all industries, as they were scared that they would be sitting on piles of stock. But it turns out global production didn’t dip a much as expected thereby causing shortages all over.

Also, the banking crisis and the troubles that small to medium size companies were having in accessing capital, caused many of those factories to go out of business. And China’s growing domestic consumption helped add to this shortage. It is unbelievable how fast this place is growing and changing.

Some companies are moving their manufacturing from the coastal cities to the more central provinces of China. One example I am sure you are aware of is Fox Conn, one of the world largest OEM electronic manufacturers. It has started moving its Shenzhen offices more inland to save on labor costs and to take advantage of some of the tax breaks the local governments are offering there to attract business.  Many other companies are doing the same, or at the least opening second facilities in more remote areas of China, and moving what they can to those areas.

Both at the national and local level (Shenzhen and other already developed cities) the minimum wage has been raised. I have seen the minimum wage increase three times in the two years I have been here, between the national and local increases. This, along with the shortages of raw materials, has caused prices to significantly increase in manufacturing.

The Yuan (RMB) is also going up in value against the US dollar. This, of course, gives us less bang for our buck. This in and of itself is very interesting, as a change in currency value either way will have huge effect on the economy here and abroad. The Chinese don’t want to move the value of the RMB much. However, inflation in China is a huge issue and fear, and keeping the RMB pegged doesn’t help deal with that. But moving it can force many foreign companies to start looking elsewhere for cheaper manufacturing. So this is a catch-22 situation we all face.

Further, I believe, along with other Chinese I know and work with, that China’s real estate is over priced and in danger of a crash. The central government is doing all it can to try and prevent this at the national level, but local governments continue to ignore Beijing’s mandate on this and fund huge development projects, hoping to cash in on what have been super lucrative opportunities so far. This issue continues to have a down stream impact on firms like mine, and our supply chains.

Chinese companies are also now giving preference to domestic consumption and charging many export-based companies premium prices for their goods.  As touched on above the buying power of the middle and even lower class is rapidly growing. The Chinese government wants to make sure that this growth continues and will give priority to domestic growth over the other issues it faces (and there are many).

In this changing environment, some firms will pull some of their manufacturing back to the States or Europe. Others will stay and move a second facility inland. Others will focus less on export and now that they have their China legs under them turn their attention to manufacturing in China and selling mainly to the Chinese domestic market — if you are manufacturing in China you MUST look at China as a market to sell to as well. But challenges will come with focusing on the domestic market as well. Any foreign product that is designed and used as an export product by foreign companies, if sold to the local market, will still be taxed as an import product. This gives Chinese companies the advantage as they can under price the competition. For example, Sony TVs are more expensive to buy in China than in the US, even though they are made there. That goes for computers, clothes, accessories, and everything else.

Having said all of the above, I still think any established brand that is not focusing on selling IN China or getting into the game here is really missing out and needs to find a way to get their foot in the door. However, if they don’t partner with a Chinese partner when they do so this will be extremely difficult and the more their brand grows in popularity the more it will be counterfeited and sold on the black markets. But that is just a cost of doing business in China. I feel that in time this situation will improve as China continues to develop and modernize.

The above, of course, doesn’t even take into consideration the vast cultural differences that still exist between Western and Chinese ways of thinking and doing business. The reality is that in doing business in China you are still a foreigner and the locals will always have an advantage over you. Everyday I am in China I am reminded that I am a foreigner, which presents difficulties in some areas but also some opportunities in others.

In summary, there is a lot going on here and in the ever-complex world of China. The opportunities are just huge here and the buying power is too great to ignore this market. I am thrilled to hear you continue to bring students to China. The place continues to blow me away.

I hope to make it back to SLO in the future so we can talk some more and catch up.

XXXX

Question: Your thoughts to this alumni’s view, experience and touch base?

And to build off this post and alumni feedback re: this shift now taking place in China as China continues to develop and ‘modernize’, see these two interesting related posts and perspectives from Dan Harris over at the always good China Law Blog, China Manufacturing:  ‘We’re Bringing It Back Home’ and Where To Locate Your Business In China. This Download Will Tell You.

May 5, 2011 addendum:  Today’s Wall Street Journal had two excellent article that echo and build on this blog post and alumni observation, Will Costs Abroad Drive Firms Home? and Candle Maker Feels Burned: Compamy, With Plants in Asia, Struggles to Open in U.S.

1 comment March 1st, 2011

Business Hotspots in China

China's Best Places For Business
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This is from a posting in Forbes I came across in my file.  It reminded me that that for the 2011 trip we will visit several of the listed places perceived to be favorable venues in China to conduct business!  Don’t know that this list has changed much from the publication date of this article.  Click on the image for a clearer view.

2 comments July 21st, 2010

So Who’s Down To Start A Chain Of Budget Hotels In India?

Submitted by: James McMillan

Professor Carr Addendum and Intro to James’ Post: This is a post I asked James to make as a follow up to his earlier post, It’s Called Days Inn in China But It’s Nothing Like It, and For Good Reason (see also the comment thread). (Thank you James, for doing so and for taking the time.) As the below shows, we have found that finding a hotel in India that can accommodate a group of our size is a challenge. Rates are very high, which in turns impacts the price you pay for the trip. Moreover, the current hotel market there tends to be very high end (we can’t afford) or very low end (you will not want to stay there), with not much in between to choose from (our challenge to find and compete to get). Step back and think of this — a country of 1.3 billion plus people, with a hotel room supply of roughly only 105,000. My memory is that China has roughly 1.1 million hotel rooms in the country (see below for James’ US figures — roughly 4.4 million; we are a developed economy with money for fun and travel, while China and India are developing economies and emerging markets with much less money). Please be aware of this planning and business issue and constraint, and, business opportunity, as James touches on below. By the way, there are some very good and understandable macro reasons for this hotel market and supply condition in India and my memory is that your Khana book, Billions of Entrepreneurs, also has a nice chapter (Chapter 4 as I remember — “Fiat and Fairness”) re: how and why real estate development projects can be a challenge to launch, complete and make any money on in India. Be sure to read and think of this post and business environment issue as you read that chapter and as we travel in India and China. Also keep in mind that one (not the only) reason China has more rooms is that it has boatloads of peasants looking for work from rural villages who will work for cheap (in comparison to US wages, that is). The CCP in China is also operating more from a “build and they will come” mindset on the hotel issue. One model is not better than the other, they are just both different.

James’ Post:

>Did you know there are only about 105,000 hotel rooms in all of India while the US has about 4.4 million? If that’s not shocking enough consider that New York alone has about 110,000 rooms and Shanghai has about 135,000. Is it any shock to you that the prices for basic rooms in India are through the roof? With India having almost 4 times our population, why do you think such a disparity exists and why are the business men in India not capitalizing on such obvious demand?

According to some hotel executives, the blame can be placed on the government for not revising decades-old laws that limit the amount of land for sale which obviously drives up the prices. The Indian Railways has vast land holdings that could easily be converted into track-side hotels but at the moment they are just not willing to give these up. According to the Taj group of hotels, a chain with 7,000 rooms in India, the price of purchasing land at an auction is often just too high to make building a hotel financially viable.

For comparison purposes, a similar quality room in Delhi cost on average $187 versus $122 in Beijing. With India already struggling with infrastructure problems it?s no wonder that hotel room shortages and high prices are at the root of India?s lagging tourism industry. In 2005, New York attracted 6.8 million foreign tourists while India only had 3.9 million. This resulted in $22.8 billion for New York and only $6.7 billion for India. To put these numbers in perspective that translates into about $2,850 per New York resident as compared to $6 per India resident.

Fortunately, there seems to be some progress for the hotel business in India but they definitely have their work cut out for them. It is expected that there will be about $6.5 billion invested in hotel building which will allow for approximately 140,000 new hotel rooms to be built by 2010. Some of the hotels expanding into India are some of the worlds best know names (Hilton, Wyndam, Pan Pacific, etc.) that are all recognizing the huge potential.

So before these big corporate hotel companies come in and dominate the market, who?s down to take on the Indian government and start building some hotel chains? It sounds like if the political front could be worked properly, sky’s the limit!

11 comments February 12th, 2009

Visiting a Trade Show in China

In China trade shows are a much, much more prominent marketing and promotion channel than in the US. And a number of the good, attractive and ‘higher caliber’ and higher visibility trade shows in China often take place in October and April.

One of the drawbacks of the timing of our annual MBA trip to China/India is that it takes place in June/July. Hey, we can’t see and do it all; yet perhaps this year we will get lucky while in the Shanghai area and be able to see one (but I can’t guarantee it as I don’t get to determine when the trade shows worth targeting do/do not take place in the Shanghai area).

When that day comes when you have the opportunity to attend a trade show in Asia, you MUST grab that opportunity, and the following articles are must watches and reads:

Marketing and Selling to Chinese Businesses - Part 1

YouTube Video on China Sourcing Fair

For a nice searchable examples for worldwide trade shows, click on Global Sources and Global Sources Trade Show Center

Five Tips for Getting the Most out of Exhibiting at Trade Shows

Going to a Trade Show in China - Part 1:  Getting There

Going to a Trade Show in China - Part 2:  Selecting the Right Show for Your Needs

Going to a Trade Show in China - Part 3:  Attending Your Show

What Happens After Your Trade Show Visit?

This video and these articles made me want to go into sales … almost.

28 comments October 29th, 2008

Shanghai Maglev

Thanks to Dan Harris at the China Law Blog for this lead.

Last year we rode the maglev train in Shanghai to get to the airport. Students loved the whiz bang of the thing. Click HERE to see a post on The Little Red Blog and the the latest internet video on the maglev and its speed. We will try to ride it again this year (can’t guarantee it; always depends on schedule, time we have, routes we take, budget, etc.)

Question that relates to your coursework (e.g., economics), politics and infrastructure development:

Which came first in China, infrastructure development followed by foreign investment attracted by that development, or, more open/liberal economic policies (translation: “pro business policies”) which in turn attracted foreign investment and THEN followed by infrastructure development? Let’s see how deep your understanding of facts, history, business and economics go …

Add comment October 14th, 2008

As They Say … In China Everything Is Possible. But Nothing Is Easy.

I have been watching and studying some of the US business schools who have entered the China MBA market for some time now (joint executive MBA programs are the usual market entry strategy). One such school is the University of Maryland Smith School of Business; an excellent business school with excellent programs, students and faculty and with loads of money to do great things (they are not scared to charge market rates).

For example, click HERE to learn about what schools like Smith are doing in China with their executive MBA program. It seems that each week I get a high quality marketing brochure in the mail from Smith re: one of its programs and said brochure, just one of them, must cost at least as much as my entire marketing budget for all of our Cal Poly Orfalea College of Business graduate programs.

Well, even the big boys falter. Smith just closed up it’s executive MBA program in Beijing (only); it looks like its much larger and well known Shanghai program is alive and well. Other B-schools are also struggling. See this May 15, 2008 Business Week article that just came out, China: Why Western B-Schools Are Leaving. Yet another good example of how local Chinese (in this case Chinese MBA programs) can replicate and achieve quality quickly, thereby making things miserable for the early foreign market entrants.

The money quote in this article:

Thirty Chinese universities are now authorized by Beijing to provide executive MBA programs. “The Chinese schools are coming right at the teeth of what I offer,” says Gary Gaeth, the associate dean of the University of Iowa’s Henry B. Tippie School of Management, which will start a program with the highly regarded Peking University this year. “And their MBA programs are every bit as good as everyone else’s.”

Oh, how that market and invisible hand can quickly swing the other way.

Yes, in China, when you make it you can make it big. But when you lose, well, you know the rest of the line. In China, experienced and knowledgeable expats will tell you, “Here, anything is possible. But nothing is easy.”

7 comments May 19th, 2008

National Geographic Specials on China

A hat tip to Gary Chou for sending me the below link. I am a National Geographic subscriber, remember the below issue coming out and reading it, but I forgot to put up a post and the issue had since disappeared into the mess on my office desk at home.

Click HERE to check out these great pics on China’s Instant Cities (the photo gallery link is on the right side of the page; the commentary by Peter Hessler is top notch, as is all of his work - e.g., Two Years on the Yangtze). And reading this very good Wall Street Journal article, On the Move: Chinese Officials Want More Farmers to Migrate to the City; But They Are Also Aware That Migration Brings Problems, will put these photos into a good big picture context for you.

Finally, last month, April 2008, National Geographic published a special issue only on China called, China: Inside the Dragon. Check it out. Again, some great short pieces by Peter Hessler and the usual amazing pictures. You can also click HERE to listen to the China Business Network’s recent podcast interview of the Editor-in-Chief of National Geographic Magazine, Chris Johns, about this issue on China. I also had no idea National Geographic is read by 40 to 45 million people each month. Cha-ching. And talk about a company that has put on a clinic for others re: how to manage and build its brand ….

Enjoy.

Prof. Carr June 13, 2008 addendum: see also this related post on instant city Shenzhen I just made (Shenzhen is located in southern China).

1 comment May 18th, 2008

The Rein Man

Nope. Not Shawn Kemp, the NBA player with loads of talent but not much production (that’s being kind).

This “reign man” is Shaun Rein, an up and comer in the US and China business circles. Check out this recent 6 minute video interview of Mr. Rein by Christine Liu of the Chinese Business Network. I have read some of his work, reports and seen other interviews and blog discussions about him. This is a smart business dude - also served as a teaching fellow at Harvard; did his undergrad work at McGill University in Montreal (good school; sorry OCOB MBA ethics team, not trying to put salt in the wound by saying the word “McGill” as in my view you got the short end of the stick that favored McGill on the time clock thing at your recent competition — chalk it up to a real world experience and an advance start for the “life ain’t fair” vicissitudes).

Continue to monitor Mr. Rein (a real reign man) and his career. He is young and I predict he is going to make it really, really, really big.

8 comments May 16th, 2008

Spitting: Gross or Unhealthy?

Submitted By: Naomi Guy

The air is hot, sticky, and dirty. Your throat becomes itchy and a bad taste arises. What do you do? Well, in China you better not spit. Renmin University in China has created a Civic Index to measure the “civility” of their cities and gauge progress as the Olympics draw near. The index analyzes behaviors such as spitting, littering, and line forming from over a quarter million observations and surveys. According to this article, Beijing has been decreasing this behavior, but not as drastically as required before the Olympics. In 2007, Beijing scored 73.4 points, up from 69.06 in 2006 and 65.21 in 2005, but not up to the 80 point target. Changes were brought about using both positive and negative reinforcements ranging from flowers to fines. An example of an interesting (yet somewhat derogatory) program is one to promote the peaceful forming of lines. On the 11th of each month (standing for 1 after 1), uniformed officials swarm upon bus stops and subway stations waving flags at everyone to ensure they line up. The program was created by Zhang Huiguang, director of Beijing’s Capital Ethics Development Office. She is now better known as “Ms. Manners”, and claims that changing these bad habits before the Olympics is “crucial in providing a cultural and historical legacy to China and the world as a whole”.

So what’s the big deal? It seems obvious that any country would want to look as good as possible for the hundreds of thousands of tourists expected for the Olympics. Well, we all remember back a few short years ago when SARS was a major health threat. During that time, officials tried to stop spitting in public to help stop the spread of the disease. Sadly, more effort has been directed into putting on a clean image for the Olympics than protecting the health of the country, and the world, just three short years ago (article). A fairly drastic change in behavior has occurred in the past year to create a new image, three years ago, when lives were at stake, it was hardly a difference.

So why is this? Did the government not care as much about health, or were people too stubborn to believe the threat of SARS? Is an external image more important than internal wellbeing? Would you expect this behavior to be true outside of China? Do you agree with Ms. Manners that these changes are crucial to providing a legacy?

I’d like to leave you with this statement by, Zhang Faqiang, vice chairman of the China Olympic Committee, “Ultimately, China’s modernization rests on the quality of its citizens.” Do manners truly make a quality citizen? and can that lead to modernization? I’ve know some key American inventors with little to zero etiquette…

12 comments February 26th, 2008

Your MBA Marketing Class and Chinese Consumers

A hat tip to Dan Harris and the China Law Blog for this lead ….

Here is a really, really interesting power point presentation by advertising giant Ogilvy on consumers in China’s Tier II and III cities. Some great stuff in here that will relate to what you are studying or will study in your MBA marketing class this winter quarter (e.g., branding, market segmentation, packaging, impulse buying, distribution channels, price sensitivity, who makes the family buying decisions, etc. anyone?). This material also highlights why so many foreign firms are trying to get into the market there — the consumer class and their spending power in these lower tier cities are on the upswing. This presentation is worth spending a few minutes to click through and study. Doing so, via this compare and contrast measure, also helped me better understand the marketing of products here in the US. Once in China, as you walk in and out of stores, and as you bus from A to B and look out the window, you need to think back to this material and connect some of the dots as related to your coursework ….

7 comments February 6th, 2008

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